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About the fortune telling[]

In case this wasn't really clear before, the historical texts doesn't present Huang Hao as particularly superstitious or a devout believer of the occult. Rather, that was really all Huang Hao had to say to convince Liu Shan to see things his way. It's a powerful example of his influence over Liu Shan by this point.

After reading a bit about Chancellor Chen and Liu Shan's overwhelming grief for his death, I think it's possible that Liu Shan could have been stricken with severe depression. To him, he had lost one of the greatest and considerate mentors of his life. Then Huang Hao came along like a greasy salesman to say all the right things a remorseful Liu Shan wanted to hear. Perhaps he bought into the words just because he was just too far gone down the road to care by then. His angered, snappy outrage with his son could have struck a deep nerve about drowning himself in delusional fantasy and facing responsibilities as leader/reality.

But this isn't something that historians say. Just my own opinion from over thinking things. I think it's a realistic view of Liu Shan that at least tries to explain his insufferable lameness near the end of Shu. It still doesn't excuse the fact that he didn't do anything to change though. Wanted to share it somewhere. Sake neko (talk) 21:21, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Dat on'yomi reading[]

And I thought Huang Quan's on'yomi reading mixed with his style name was bad enough.... SneaselSawashiro (talk) 01:41, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

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